鴉PieFedAre there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?
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Community-wise there’s [email protected]
lemmy.blahaj.zone has a decent amount of women and both their admins are women, it's not a "women's space" as one would describe since everyone is welcome there but it's probably the closest thing one would describe as an instance "by women for women". I am obligated to mention that it is a queer instance and that many of the women there are either trans themselves or strongly supportive of trans people, and do not tolerate transphobia or anti-LGBT sentiment (including refusal to support LGBTQ people) at all.
Beat me to it. Their zero tolerance for misogyny/transphobia extends to who they federate with. If a server doesn’t care about its users being transphobic then it gets the axe. I remember it being a big hub bub because an instance was actually using its defederation option.
spinster exists but I think its the opposite where its antitrans
We all pretend that it didn't exist and do not acknowledge its presence; that's the informal rule.
Like Finland if it were real.
Yeah Spinster is generally considered a hate site, and consequently is very widely defederated, even from general purpose instances like lemmy.world. Also it's less of a Reddit alternative and more of a Twitter alternative but is technically redundant since you can do everything you did on there on the real thing instead.
Good.
As much as I appreciate the community and users at Blahaj, in my personal experience, the moderation was fairly wanting. At least a year or two ago (not sure about now), they tolerated some pretty freakish right-wing people who enabled chasers and other weird shit on their communities.
They certainly do not seem very tolerant of that now, they very commonly ban people for thinly veiled homophobia and transphobia that would normally slide on other sites. They do not even seem mildly willing to tolerate the intolerant.
This seems like a very good niche for someone willing to do it. Problematic accounts could get a site-wide ban instead of each woman having to ban someone herself.
Niche? Bruh, they're half of the population lmao
Unfortunately it is niche right now in the fediverse based on the stats. That could change but probably requires a different approach to achieve.
Nicole is on a mission to single-handedly skew those stats
I would guess that most women wouldn't feel the need to be on a woman-focused Lemmy instance for their main / only account. But, some might want an alt account to discuss certain things there.
While this won't be the case with everyone, it was mentioned a few times in a post I made here a long while back
https://lemmy.ca/post/9443464
That's pretty brave of you. It's a lot of work to fight people's assumptions, and I'm sure it results in harassment.
But, you're right that things will never change if women don't do that. It's a chicken and egg thing. Nobody wants to be the first to do it, because whoever's first gets harassed the most. But, if enough people do it, it won't be abnormal anymore.
Good luck, and thanks for trying to make women on the internet more normal.
we all know there's currently only 1 chick in the fediverse
There WAS 1 chick in the fediverse.
The situation took a dark turn recently.
P in that case Nicole's DMs are the Lemmy women's sub.
I don't know of any "men only" instances, the fact that it's gender-specific is niche rather than the specific gender.
Same reason womens magazines are more popular than mens magazines and womens subreddits and websites are more popular than mens.
Maybe one day we'll have full equality and it'll be weird to think of "women's spaces" as something that's necessary. But it's very much so today.
I don't believe they actively intended to exclude anyone, but there is/was Dull Men's Club, and I believe they've recently rebranded to "Dullsters".
Zero women have tried to make one so far regardless of how many would use a new instance. So it can't be all that in demand.
I think it naturally would occur if Lemmy grows in size. There's not many people here to begin with.
There's [email protected] we started a little over a month ago and recently hit 1000 members
It's not niche being a woman obviously. What's niche is having a community exclude 50% of the population. Nothing wrong with it, but it *is* niche.
Lemmy needs block lists users can subscribe to like they can on BlueSky, it would make a huge difference imo.
Most of the fediverse is male, and there's a significant trans woman space, but there's no spaces that really cater to cis women or to trans men specifically that I've seen.
And yes, I think it's reasonable to look for a space that is strongly (though not exclusively) cis-woman, in the same way that a Protestant would feel out of place in a Catholic community, even though they're all Christian. I imagine most cis women feel the same way as I (a cis man) feel when going to blahaj - like a friendly, allied visitor in a foreign land.
I can’t think of a single online space *ever* that has catered to trans men. It’s always infinitely easier to just act like a cis dude 99% of the time.
I guess there is Hudson’s Guide lol.
We have [email protected]
But like what even is a social media for women? I wasn't aware the ones we currently have were for men
reddit has /r/TwoXChromosomes which is one of my favorite subs. It's a general womens subreddit, and though it obviously leans feminist it's not its main purpose. It welcomes all genders, but remains a womens space.
The fediverse could really use that energy.
There's also /r/WitchesVsPatriarchy which is also very strictly woman-centered.
Damn women appropriating witchdom. Excluding boywitches just reaffirms the patriarchy's gendering of magic. It's re-inventing the same gender roles.
Neither the WvP subreddit nor the Discord excludes men from identifying as witches or from participating in discussions.
Then what does women-centered mean in practice? Is it just a nothing label?
Woman-*centered* is not an absolute. One does not have to be part of a single characteristic of a group to have a stake in it, to be an ally, an advocate, a partner, a family member, among countless other scenarios.
I would suggest reading up on intersectionality.
By the way, all of this is covered in the subreddit sidebar, including in an FAQ in the wiki.
I'm sorry, what?
It's women-centered because it's "against patriarchy"... not because it's witchy. And they are trans & queer inclusive as well.
I think it would be even more against patriarchy if it was enby centered. They should change that.
You need to stay away from feminism and enby activism entirely until you've humbled yourself and seriously sat with how problematic this take is.
You're not helping anybody with that. Least of all enbies/trans people. And not just because it makes us look bad either, though that's certainly part of it.
Don't worry you have nothing to get from people identifying as "witches"
Narrow minded nonsense.
Yeah but thats a subreddit not REDDIT itself, you can similarly start a /c/TwoX on just about any Lemmy instance.
While I do agree with what you're saying, I actually think a "by women for women" instance has a slightly different impact than a "by women for women" community. There are definitely pros and cons for both, though
We used to have an equivalent on our instance, but it was constantly flooded with reply-bros and trans people complaining about the name, so we archived it as no women was willing to moderate it (for understandable reasons).
Lemmy supports local-only private communities now, might be a good use case for that
Nah, let the transphobic name die
As a trans person please stop. You're not helping & are being underhandedly misogynistic.
I wondered if they made the jump over here. Guess not, sadly. Reading that sub has made me a better man, because it offers some pretty harsh critiques of male behavior.
Its all technically ran by trans women which is mildly interesting, like the mods of 2x and the others on reddit and here I think
on reddit every female sub is ran by the same woman
Depends. You looking for a woman's space...or a terf space?
I definitely think it should be an inclusive, not exclusive space
blahaj.zone is a great one I've found. Extremely inclusive, brooks absolutely no bullshit from bad faith actors.
Is also very very queer tho JSYK
Except the Drag person, obvious troll they keep around.
People are fucking *weird* about drag.
Honestly there are far more worthy things to get pissed about this day and age, open a window
I just blocked them and moved on. It’s just insane it took so long for the admins to finally ban them.
I don't think we can equate "queer space" with "women's space".
I didn't.
Well I would definitely put blahaj down as a queer-focused space rather than a women-focused space. It's inclusive, women are welcome, but the community there is very much about queer issues.
Key word: you.
That could be our new Lemmy slogan.
Either can describe a bar that throws out Nazis or a Nazi bar, depending on perspective.
now you're just being dickish.
Nah I'm demanding clarity. A clear question "Do you mean excluding TERFs or excluding women" and the answer is "I want to be inclusive". It may not be meant as such, and I'm definitely not implying that it was, but that's exactly how a TERF would evade questioning.
A clear "Fuck TERFs" would have provided plenty of clarity, and been much shorter. Also, it would have said "Fuck TERFs".
Idk man "exclusionary" is literally part of terf I don't think there's much ambiguity there. Fuck terfs though.
They're also complaining about "women being excluded from women's spaces by agents of the patriarchy posing as women". They're also not necessarily using "TERF" as a label. They're using typical fascist-style "words mean whatever we want them to mean in the moment" type of stuff, hiding clear-cut positions behind pretend nuance, hence why I favour clarity.
I regret my part in this recto-cranial inversion of a conversation
Pardon my ignorance but what would be the point of that? You can sign up on any instance and participate in any women's communities. It's not like there's any way to verify the user's gender anyway.
Local feed I guess. I wouldn't trade my french local feed to another despite the abillity to subscribe to the community that made it.
Couldn't you sign up on another instance and still subscribe to all the same communities?
It would only work if I don't subscribe to any other instances. That's a bad tradeoff.
The fediverse needs a tool to surf other instances local feed cause that's a common issue for both the threadiverse and twittoverse. Soon, we may have enough theme-oriented PixelFed instances for them to have the same issue. I believe PieFed multicommunity feeds to be the best way to tackle it so far but that's not even a good solution.
our local french feed 🤝
D'autant plus que je ne poste pas souvent dessus !
Local feed is one of the best parts of Lemmy conceptually and a very clear indicator that the intended behaviour for users is to sign up to smaller insurances related to their location or otherwise significant individual interests.
A community like that would hopefully ban misogynists who go unbanned on other communities.
"Community" is the operative word there. OP is asking about an instance.
An instance can be a community in the general sense of the word.
Right but it has a very specific meaning here.
They (I think) meant that the instance would be a community, and the admins would ban misogynists.
I know what they meant but it's an important distinction here.
You really don't see the benefit to a group of similar people to have a space focused on them, their wants and needs and daily lives? A community of people like them? It's one of the most fundamental human desires.
That's not what I said.
with enough admin and moderation you could circle jerk your way into a "woman positive" or "woman friendly space" which would be the idea.
beehaw.org aspire to be nice, friendly diverse and safe. But they're more towards nice, not women. And we have lemmy.blahaj.zone for queer folks. To my knowledge, there isn't a place aimed towards women. Maybe heehaw is the closest... Still not really a fit.\
You could go ahead and also ask in some of the women communities, see how they get along here on the Fediverse.
Beehaw.org is nice, Heehaw.org is the closest, Hoohaw.org is the promised land
The comments here make me very disappointed in our little corner of the internet. If anyone wants this but doesn’t know how, neither do I but I’d be happy help.
I think there’s a few tutorials about how to set up your own lemmy instance. If so compelled; go for it! If you have any sort of IT background it’ll probably be pretty easy.
Call it out when you see it. Keep the bar nazi free.
There's [email protected]
I want there to be a witchesvspatreiarchy here, but I'm a dude and it'd be messed up if I started it.
There's a couple of them, I think.
I found this one:
https://lemmy.ca/c/witchesvspatriarchy
Edit: Better link:
[email protected]
Thanks!
Honestly chuckled a bit after checking out the front page and pretty much all posts were about.. men
But that (making fun of men) might just be the idea behind that subreddit and I'm looking at it wrong
EDIT: I dun goofed
Probably the "vs patriarchy" part
Probably should have googled the meaning of that word first
Thanks! I was looking for witchesvsTHEpatriarchy for some reason.
Subbed.
Mod of that community here! Please come join the coven, we're always welcoming like-minded people!
This idea is pretty cool, i hope they will succeed to achieve that. Imo, we lack diversity on the forumverse except maybe mastodon.\
It would provide an additional security layer, another governance. They could also benefit a lot from local community and can check vote, email, ip...Other have already mentionned good example with blahaj, beehaw...\
On the other hand, it will render the instance more visible.
On my main instance, jlai.lu, i think we don't manage well sexist speech. They are moderated, we do our best to explain to our users what's wrong and slowly change them but we don't have the same sensibility as women.
Men explaining women...So we probably missed lot things.
Like women only or hosted by women? Based on the selfhosted poll I’m guessing there is a 5% there is.
Not women only but women centric and with additional moderation protection. And yeah, I'd also say that women should administer and moderate such an instance.
Both of them
I feel discriminated
My apologies as I didnt intend to
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Why are you being so hostile?
I wont, im just suggesting them
It’s called “being an ally,” and it’s far more productive than faking outrage and borderline-doxxing people we disagree with.
Where did you get these informations?
Probably he browsed my mastodon profile
I was thinking of making one, but I'm not a woman, so I'll think of something else
Create one!
Not a woman.
Become one /j
Speaking in general: Creating communities/instances is easy. *Moderating* them is hard.
In particular: I would love to create women's spaces. But then I'd have to be on the lookout for the Knights of the True Fedora. They're out there. *Somewhere.* Now now, I'm not suggesting it'd be a daily problem! ...But the actual daily problems (regular spam and whatnot) would suck too.
I'm in charge of [email protected] I've got to say the vast majority of men have been fantastically supportive! Odd comment and spite downvote but it's manageable
hexbear is heavily transfem and bans aggressively for misogyny/transphobia. Spending some time there when their recent domain crisis defederated from the rest of Lemmy was actually quite relaxing
unless you have an external opinion, in which case they fucking lynch you.
that external opinion is usually either bigotry or supporting US empire from my experience. Other Lemmy spaces are just as likely to ban for wrongthink ie: not being pro genocide or whatever war libs are supporting this time.
i've never seen a pro genocide lemmy instance, everytime i've argued against it i've been banned or moderated on, granted my instance isn't pro genocide, so there's that. But that seems to be a regular occurrence on lemmy in my experience.
I posted one thing on the one hexbear thread people used and immediately got banned lmao, what a terrible instance. I just ended up blocking the whole thing because why even bother at that point.
You are right, but a lot of people want to avoid politics.
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People who cover their drinks when you're around.
i don't go to bars or anything, so i guess everyone is a man?
Everyone is a woman on this blessed day!
Speak for yourself.
I am one with everything, so by speaking about myself, I speak about the whole of reality. Checkmate!
People who tell you they’re women.
You don’t know what a woman is? Or is this some kind of attempt at trolling?
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I think maybe it would have been clearer to just ask this question directly and openly. The way you phrased it is the way a lot of bigots do to try to start trouble.
No one would understand this is what you intended if you use a transphobic dogwhistle for that.
it's called pinterest
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PS: Ok so it looks like people here are just as bad as redditors. I was answering the question in the Reddit caption of this post. Pinterest has been known to be an alternative to Reddit (as a link aggregator) which attracts women a lot more than men.
This is a KNOWN thing, check this 10 year old article from the people managing Pinterest stating as much
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/why-pinterest-wants-more-men-and-how-it-plans-to-get-them-13101082
Of course women are welcome here, there is no question about it. Does it matter if there is an instance for women? I don't even know, I know women who love stereotypical male stuff and vice versa. I assume anyone, male, female or anything in the spectrum, can browse around and collate their favorite subs
Not funny, not ok. Women are just as welcome here as anyone else and your comment is exactly why they are asking. “It’s a joke” - nope don’t even. Be better than this.
it wasn't a joke
pinterest is an link aggregator just like reddit and geared towards women
of course women are welcomed here, no clue how you get otherwise from my comment
https://www.youthsense.com.au/youth-insights/men-are-from-reddit-women-are-from-pinterest/
Well..yes, it is a link aggregator, but have you ever used Pinterest? The uses for it vs reddit are *wildly* different...
Yes, I have. And the differences that you allude to are a huge part why women find it attractive, more so than men.
Pinterest itself have publicly stated this was not necessarily intentional and they wanted to bring more men to the platform.
I am more trying to argue that Pinterest and Reddit/lemmy are fundamentally different enough that they aren't really interchangeable.\
I personally use both, but, again, for wildly different purposes.
I agree, but at a higher level the analogy works... like a sports car vs a pickup truck vs a minivan. Very different but at the end of the day they are all vehicles and men tend to like one of those more than others, same as women (and no, I am not implying women like minivans... my wife forbade me from getting one when our kids were little and I had given up on a cool car for the convenience of one)
You’re the joke, got it, moving on.
Oh I see, you are just an idiot... go back to reddit please
Your comment can be read in multiple ways
"It's called pinterest. Go there instead. This site is not for you."
or
"It's called pinterest. This thing you are interested in already kind of exists. Just thought I would let you know."
The people downvoting had the first interpretation, I assume.
Honestly, I really cannot stop people from making up things I did not write and tagging them along in their heads.
I was answering the question in the picture of this post:
The way I worded it "it's called Pinterest" came from me thinking this was a well known thing which apparently is not for many lemmy users.
Check this article which is 10 years old, where Pinterest representatives acknowledge this demographic divide and want to correct it
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/why-pinterest-wants-more-men-and-how-it-plans-to-get-them-13101082
You need to calm down
You need to sit down and learn
Nah im ok
I don’t agree in this particular instance, but in general I think you’re right - all this shit is really getting to me. And I always appreciate a good call out. Going to touch some grass, hope everyone has a great day ✌️
how would they stop men from participating?
I don't see a reason to deny men from participating.
Why should they want to do that? That's not how most sites for women work!
Blahaj.zone is an instance aimed at queer people, but it doesn't have to prevent non-queer people from participating. I would imagine an instance aimed at women to be similar.
There is no resonable way to do that.
The only way I could see it being done while perserving some kind of anonymity would be to have a defederated instance, where members are invite-only, where members can invite their friends to join, there by verifying that there are no men joining.
Unfortunately, there is no good way of verifying the gender of a person that you don't meet outside of a forum.
I’ve mentioned this before in other threads that seek a women-centric Lemmy option, but there was at least one secret community on Reddit like that. Invitees’ post histories were vetted before an invite was sent, both to find women specifically, but also to prevent trolls.
I don’t know exactly how they did it, all I know is that I got an invite one day and found the most open, comforting community I’d ever seen online. It was a place where we could talk about anything from silly stories that made us smile, to complaining about specific issues with bras, all without fear of trolls hijacking the thread, or turning an ordinary thing for us into something sexual.
I miss it.
Sounds fantastic, I hope that you can find a community like that again.
Vetting the post history is probably the only realistic way of doing it, it is time consuming, I am sad that it is needed, but if that is what it it takes it is at least doable.
I wish you and all women online good luck in finding a community like that, everyone needs a good community to enjoy!
Just make it obvious that it's meant for women and most men will exclude themselves
On a public forum?
Lol you wish
It works at bars, play music made by women and the Nazis will find another place to sieg heil each other without even being to be told
ban the rowdy ones lmao
Community wise we have [email protected] its a women only community by women for women.
Lemmy is aimed at pleasing all of humanity.
Asking for a women-centric flavor of any site is parallel to asking for a version with less men. If you're implying there is a difference to the interests of both, I'd love to show you the Grey's Anatomy sub.
i mean, i don't see anything necessarily wrong with it though.
It's like making a linux specific lemmy instance, or an anarchist focused lemmy instance (the one im on)
it might go against the principles of lemmy, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
I think there are differences in the interests of both. Can you explain your argument here, without super obscure references?
We just shouldn't consider either gender's interests as stereotypes. Also, if a community becomes one or the other "centric", then on some level, it's exclusionary.
You know that just because gender is a social construct, it doesn't mean we should or even can just ignore it? You took step one on the awareness ladder but stopped before step two
Neigh, Lemmy is aimed at pleasing all the world.
I am species blind. Asking for a species-centric flavor of any site is parallel to asking for a version with less horses. If you're implying there is a difference to the interests of both, I'd love to show you equestrian sports.
There is literally nothing different between any species, gender, or even a rock. Women, Men. Heck 1 + 1 = 3. Everything is exactly the same. It's a soup of protons. It's all the same!
TW: crude and insensitive joke (hopefully the spoiler tag works lol)
ETA: lemme know if you need this taken down. Sometimes the intrusive thoughts win
spoiler tag didnt appear to work, but this indeed is very stupid and funny.
NGL I almost deleted it this morning, glad it made you giggle
i almost never delete things i post on the internet, i'm a firm believer in sillyposting because the nothing is sacred.
IDK, call it a character badge or whatever you want. It's just how i am.
Reddit is pretty pro-female, what is this riddiculous gaslighting ?
BTW, ALL of Lemmy+Mbin are pro-female as well.
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You are functioning well within your parameters, eventhough your software version is a bit outdated
Sorry I am not hip to the most recent lingo of the circles that call women females.
please don't call women "females"
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Look man, from a technical language point of view there is nothing whatsoever wrong with calling people 'females'. However, by speaking to such people face-to-face you quickly learn that basically not one likes to be called that. The reasons are subtle, and frankly not very important. But the fact remains that calling people 'females' is now seen as a sign that you don't understand or respect them - on the grounds that you are using a phrase that you've been asked not to use. Just say 'women' instead.
As if I didn't know that right, but it didn't stop you (not you in particular) "People" from assuming & attacking
I didn't get technical on you - that's kind of the point. But whatever; I was just trying to help with some context. Ignore if you like.
I appreciate the help
It's fine. Call men "males", too.
You already do that & much worse. So don't pretend
Guilty as charged. What is my sentence for this crime?
You’ve gotten banned from four instances already for misogyny. I wonder how long before your own instance bans you. - https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?actionType=ModBan&userId=14161066 - https://lemmy.ml/modlog?actionType=ModBan&userId=15427075 - https://feddit.org/modlog?actionType=ModBan&userId=3552423 - https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?actionType=ModBan&userId=16191825
Why did I get banned I wonder ? yes because I questioned them asked for evidence & they provided none
I linked my evidences & they were evading questions.
BTW, I blocked those instances as well. The real question you should ask is how long until your echo-chamber fades into obscurity.
Didn't you mock ModLogs ?😂
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bar yourself?
Go home & take a nap, you need it
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
It really comes down to this: if you want your own space for particular interests, you should create one and find likeminded people to populate it. Just waiting for it to magically appear isn’t going to work. Be assertive.
This was just a post to see if there already is something like described
I'm on .ml, but I don't engage in any Marxist-Leninist communities. So it doesn't really matter on what instance you're on.
This isn't about recommending an instance but a community.
Onlyfans
Edit: forgot the /s
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Instead you resort to insults!
Can somebody explain to me a thing about anti-feminism: as a 99.5% cishet standard regular manly man man, even from an extremely cold, selfish, objective, all-for-me approach I cannot understand what I stand to gain by this. What's the point?
Nothing. The only people that gain anything from strict gender roles are the rich, and they use them to create disparities and depress wages.
Yep - It really is divide and conquer by the rich. Look at 'the culture wars', they will stoke anything to high hell if it gets poor people to stupidly discriminate and fight each other.
The weaker and more dependent from a man a woman is, the less likely she will have her own opinions, desires or plans, and less likely she will be to leave the insecure men who want this.
The complaints that I've heard (from previous co-workers) are that feminism was fine until sometime around the late 2000's, but around that time it morphed into something that was anti-men.
For the most part, there's a lot of sour grapes perspectives - a lot of my previous co-workers are anywhere from centrist to conservative. I've heard the selective service registration mentioned in the past, and to an extent I agree with complaint perspective on the selective service thing, but that's about it.
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almost all the subs that "are women" are basically astroturfed by men, or some of them are male users posting as a "woman"
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Why would this be division?
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I haven't written anything about excluding other genders. It's only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).
But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?
Having a space for women by women isn't division. It's about creating a safe space.
What structural issues?
Isn't this normal human behavior? Still doesn't mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.
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"Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?"
Where is the division?
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Okay now lets change it again.
"Are there any Lemmy communities FOR rape survivors and by rape survivors?"
And someone says "Well why do you want to create division? Shouldn't rapists also have a chance to share their side?"
I'm not saying this is a realistic "turn the tables" but neither is yours. I will explain why.
Right now, despite whatever stupid fucking propaganda a select few assholes are hung up on, *there are no systemic attacks happening on white people just for being white*. At least none of any value or meaning. No, fringe groups don't count because they don't have power and never will have power in this system. However there ARE in fact many white-nationalist groups that ARE gaining power and voice, and attempting to return to an old hegemonic ideal of race. This isn't a "that's not fair!" issue, this is an issue about our very future as a diverse species sharing a world together.
I don't think there should be ANY exclusionary spaces, but I do think there should be well-moderated spaces for people of similar ideas or demographics to share thoughts without being attacked for their identity. There should be spaces where people know they will be ejected for trying to sabotage the conversations.
Division and segregation hurts all of us, and if we want to fight it, we have to fight the fuckers who drive people to want to escape, we have to fight the trolls and monsters and bullies and nazis who make people feel afraid. Those are the ones trying to divide us, and those are the ones we shouldn't be giving voice to.
I completely agree with you.
White people are just frustrated equality means feeling burdens, pains, and other things equally. By all carrying a little, you can carry a whole lot. However, I've learned it comes from a place of comfort. They think the world around them is sound, that rules exist and structure permeates. They are but babies to reality. Even the christians among them do not understand the misery and suffering the bible speaks of.
Those that propagate these lies, they witness not injustices but a system they can exploit. They are the demons that keep us awake at night and fearing our safety.
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Sounds racist. You see the problem?
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Where’s the division? It starts and ends with the “…for women” part.
By women, sure that’s not divisive at all but if something is being set up specifically for one gender it’s inherently divisive.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand why women would want it, but at the same time describing it as non-divisive doesn’t work.
Ah give me a break. Can't there be something that is designed specifically for women without you feeling excluded? Nobody says that you aren't allowed to participate.
Why are you making it personal about me? I don’t give a damn what you do. Did you see the part of my last comment where I said that I can understand why women would want it?
You asked a question, I provided an answer. It is inherently divisive by definition, and that’s completely fine. Pull your head out.
Ask the people who deliberately work to make shared spaces uncomfortable for particular groups of people.
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It's the sexist comments, boomer humor, male-centric views, the mansplaining, the chauvinism, the micro-aggressions, lack of empathy from a lack of perspective, the oversimplification without nuance, etc. All that generally makes women uncomfortable and sometimes it's a bit much. Sometimes you want to forget those exist and focus on what matters to you with like-minded people.
It's the same for us gay folks. I know I can't just bring up whatever gay topic in a straight group where not everyone can relate, offer their first hand experience, or might find it weird because it's not part of their lives.
Trying to concentrate similar people to discuss common topics is, at the very worst, a constructive division.
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This is not about arguments, bro. Or which ones do you mean? And safe spaces are meant to be non-confrontational. You can disagree, but you do it respectfully, without smug attitudes.
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I can't tell if your question is in good faith or not because of how awkwardly it's worded, but if you're asking how women can feel uncomfortable online, you're obviously not a woman, so enjoy that I guess.
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Have you ever really talked to women who use online spaces a lot? Like a *real* conversation, face-to-face or in person. Serious question.
edit: the soft chirping of distant crickets provide me all the answers I need.
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It's not division. It's federation, what the Fediverse is for.
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Lol you're a dumbass.
Women need a space to communicate with other women, men can't completely understand the unique experience, challenges and culture women have within literally every culture and sometimes we need only those who understand to listen. Men, be an ally to women and shut up, let them have a safe space without your intrusion.
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There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences
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Because of you.
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The femcel channel need more people if you like that type of humor